XB1 F3 SpagBol31 overtaking while a lap down

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  1. RoscoArm

    RoscoArm New Member

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    Title: SpagBol31 overtaking while a lap down weird incident
    Championship: F3
    Date: 3/12/2017
    Members Involved: @Aston @RoscoArm @TheCaptain
    Description: Probably not much point in doing this, but I was comfortably leading the race, had originally lapped SpagBol31 once he came out of the pits, then I thought it was a bit weird that he was so close to me, trying to unlap himself which he did in the end and I didn't put up a fight thinking to myself I didn't want to get any damage but if I did it probably would've ruined my race. In the end he did go a lap down and that's where he finished, but it was a little annoying. I thought he would stay behind me and maybe tag along. The video footage I have is 10 minutes long (I do apologise) but it shows him trying to unlap himself, then unlapping himself and going a lap down again. Again probably not much point doing this, but just thinking about if something went wrong and ruined my race
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  2. TheCaptain

    TheCaptain Active Member Staff Member F1 Coordinator

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    I'll note this is the second week in a row that SpagBol31 has done this. I had spectator mode following my DNF, and I was moving between everyone so I could get some good footage for my YT video. I do have some footage of this incident and views of those behind SpagBol31 as well as lochie55555 who was in 2nd place, and the footage does clearly show that SpagBol31 had plenty of room to those behind him and enough space to lochie55555 for him to be lapped and back off from RoscoArm and still have enough room that he wasn't in anybody's way or be worried about losing a place.

    I will provide the footage that I have once I finish going through it tomorrow morning. It won't be much but will show SpagBol31 battling and the relative distance between them and lochie55555 that would show he had plenty of room to back off and not be in danger of losing a place
     
  3. Aston

    Aston New Member

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    Yes I know this has happened 2 weeks in a row... The thing is that both times I have come out of the pits, receiving blue flags but also on a way quicker tyre to the leader.

    I also had lag issues with schulty da ozzi appearing out of nowhere so I didn't actually know how close behind he was to me.

    Anyway, the main thing is that I'm just a bit confused on what this steward inquiry is for, besides shaming me as a driver, I feel this was a bit unnecessary in my opinion. Nothing even happened in the end and I always made sure that I didn't get in Rosco's way or hinder his race at all.
     
  4. TheCaptain

    TheCaptain Active Member Staff Member F1 Coordinator

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    It is the same thing you did last race to me that you did here (minus the divebomb and broken front wing). That is the issue, two races in a row you have had whatever set of issues and have been a lap down to cars and rather than giving them the room to get on with their race, you battle them like it is for the position. You were given penalty points and a time penalty and you did it again the very next race. It has nothing to do with what tyre you are on, it has to do with the simple fact that you were a lap down, and you kept on going like you had to get past for the lead of the race. It is not clean racing, that is what this is about. The simple fact that two weeks in a row, you have done the same thing to a racer when you had room to back off and let them get on with their race instead of worrying about what you are doing. It is not tolerated and hence this stewards panel investigation.

    You hindered RoscoArm's race by battling with him to unlap yourself when you clearly had enough room to back off, let him get on with his race instead of having to worry about what moves you were making on him. Doesn't matter if you were on a faster tyre to the other car, you don't hinder their race by fighting them for a position that you aren't in a position for. RoscoArm should have easily cleared you and be able to go on with his race (and maybe he would have won by more) and not have to worry in the back of his mind what moves you were making. I don't think any real-life F1 driver that gets lapped would ever do this.

    It makes no difference that you didn't collide with him like you did with me in Baku, you still raced him when you were not in any position to overtake him for the lead (you were 10th at that time), and had a sizeable gap to Roxman 1 (in 11th place) and to Stinchy9 (in 9th place). You can not battle like that when you are a lap down, just let the car pass you, give them a gap so that they don't have to worry about what rash moves you are going to make, or have the worry in their mind that you are going to attack them and possibly ruin their race.

    You were not in the battle for the lead, or even a podium. I have footage from spectator mode that shows you battling RoscoArm up the first straight towards Turn 2, and the proof that schulty da ozzi was nowhere near you (at the time, he was 8th, you were in 10th) and that there is absolutely nobody behind you or anywhere near you, so you could have easily backed off and let RoscoArm get on with his race.

    Footage provided below that shows clearly that there was daylight between SpagBol31 and the cars behind which shows that he could have easily backed off and not battled with RoscoArm like he did (#1). I have also found footage of an entire lap (Lap 29/36) where you battled with him and clearly had daylight between you and the next car (both in front and behind) (#2) and that schulty da ozzi was nowhere near you, so he would not be a worry or a factor for you.

    (footage evidence #1)


    (footage evidence #2)
     
  5. Aston

    Aston New Member

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    I don't have any further comments to make, steward make of it what you will...
     
  6. iFendz

    iFendz Member

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    I'm posting something to help the stewards just because I'm feeling sorry for Spag

    https://twitter.com/ifendz/status/937539499126538240

    This is an incident that received no penalty, if this incident gets a penalty I swear honestly he's just trying to unlap himself he's allowed too
     
  7. TheCaptain

    TheCaptain Active Member Staff Member F1 Coordinator

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    You are not involved, nor are you even in F3. Please do not comment on inquires that do not involve you, as that is part of the rules of this league that you do not make comments to inquiries that you are not involved in or have been asked to speak to.
     
  8. iFendz

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    Captain mate, it's something to assist the new stewards based on previous incidents and it's a similar incident
     
  9. TheCaptain

    TheCaptain Active Member Staff Member F1 Coordinator

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    Does not matter, if you are not involved, you do not add to such inquiries. Follow the rules of the league.
     
  10. iFendz

    iFendz Member

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    No
     
  11. iFendz

    iFendz Member

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    I dont race in ASR (nor SRL for now) so I don't have to follow the league rules and I am helping my friend by providing evidence to help his case
     
  12. TheCaptain

    TheCaptain Active Member Staff Member F1 Coordinator

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    If you don’t race here, even more reason not to comment. As long as you are on the forums, when your asked something by an admin/coordinator, the discussion is over. End of discussion now.
     
  13. Aston

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    Actually, I do have further comments to make. In your 1st footage there was never a time when I tried to overtake Rosco, I never battled him and just drove behind his car hoping to be pulled along. I didn't go for any dive bombs (like I did last week) because I have learned from the mistake.

    Come on Captain, please give me a break with all your negative comments against me. You weren't directly involved in the incident and it's like you are trying to persuade the stewards to give me a penalty.

    I am happy for Rosco to comment on this as he was directly involved, but he has already quoted above, "Again probably not much point doing this". It shows that there wasn't much in this and the steward inquiry is more like telling us if it happened, but it didn't.
     
  14. iFendz

    iFendz Member

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    Yeye noice following league rules Captain :)
     
  15. Ben Rose

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    Could you please get out of this discussion Fendz? It's really annoying and it doesn't even concern you.
     
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  16. AussieSimRacing

    AussieSimRacing Administrator Staff Member

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    No penalty for SpagBol31. There is no rule claiming that overtaking under blue flags isn't allowed, and he did have the pace to pull away from Rosco, until he came across schulty. You are allowed to overtake to stay on the lead lap, given you don't cost the leader any time other than the minuscule tenth of a second or so that is lost in the overtake.

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